Stop Calling Traditional Martial Arts Fake • Martial Arts Explored

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  1. With this new Martial Arts Explored episode I invite everyone who would like to translate its subtitles so that more people could benefit from this subject. If you have the time, ability and interest here is the link to the official YouTube translating panel: http://www.youtube.com/timedtext_video?v=-xxYE60N–o&ref=share
    Thank you in advance to everyone joining this initiative!

  2. Hey. Fully agree with this video. I practiced wushu for years, even though I know it's a performance martial arts at that point, fight science kinda kept me thinking it'll work without trying it out.

    Then I decided to explore the sparring side of things. I really feel that pressure testing gets you there where you season your mind so you'll be able to think & look. So it helps to put the moves into use. Especially when it's free sparring with protective gears on, I find it much more liberating and makes more sense now.

    That said, it's not that I don't believe traditional martial arts can't work. It's more of my journey to understand how to apply these techniques so I can appreciate it more. Thank you for your insightful thoughts!

  3. What you call “fantasy based martial arts” I would define as “spiritual martial arts”. I agree that they should be clearly identified and distinguished from combat martial arts to avoid misunderstandings and frustration of prospective students. But calling them fantasy arts would also be misleading. In many cases spiritual arts were developed as an evolution of combat arts, as a result of spiritual enlightenment of their creators. Their purpose is different than combat arts, but it doesn’t make them less important in our lives. Many people chose to pursue spiritual development as their life-time goals, not combat development, and spiritual arts offer a healthy alternative to traditional religions. Aikido, for example, in its latest form, is a purely spiritual art, based on a very specific Japanese religion. And it should be presented that way by its instructors. But just because spiritual arts chose to focus on spiritual aspects of out existence, calling them fantasies comes across as arrogant and disrespectful IMO. In the long term, they might prove to be more real and important for humanity than combat arts.

  4. in conclusion, aikido techniques works. But the way aikido syllabus are practise isnt suitable for combative sport as it was intended. Reviewing your sparring sesh i think you yourself realise that most aikido technique you try to pull wasnt done in a way that it would work (no kuzushi, etc). Aikido training teaches you technique, but very limited insight on how to set your opponent up in a way that an aiki technique would be possible. I think it only make sense that If youre looking to be proficient at fighting in a cage, then the only way to be good at it is to relentlessly get into fights (sparring). I am not surprise watching you fail landing a technique in that video. Do you think its fair if you won that fight having 0 sparring experience against someone who spar for a living? i wouldnt expect someone who never stepped into an aikido dojo would know how to put a nikyo on me, why would you think the hundreds of hours you spent not sparring can be put to use against someone who spars all the time? Until you can refrain from flinching, start irimi instead of backpedalling each time your opponent strike there is no way you can apply an aikido technique.

  5. I started doing several "traditional" martial arts while I was growing up. Each offered their own particular approaches but obviously were technically diverse. Does this make them "inferior/non-effective" compared to modern MMA? For me, no.
    Having spent seven years and with advanced training from a military perspective, I do believe that there is a large difference in the applications to those martial arts that I studied when younger, as compared to the trained combat scenario offered by the military.
    Traditional martial arts are simply that. Puristic in their approach to both application and implementation to a defensive scenario.
    The MMA for me is very similar, just possibly more practicable and more applicable to a greater variety of defensive possibilities.
    When compared to advanced military training, both fall very short. The element of tradition or fair play does not exist involving lethality.
    Simply, kill or be killed. But without the traditional arts, I truly feel any self-defense that is worthy of note needs praise. As without them any further forms of combat self-defense simply would not exist. And I feel the integration of weapons is much underrated in TMA as most who practice them, will not be taught due to their lack of experience, not ability. Unlike in the military.

  6. I don't usually post comments on YouTube, but I'll just throw in my 2 cents. Guess I've always been lucky in my life when it came to training martial arts, because when I did TKD, we were always told to pressure test all these self-defense techniques and find a way to make them work better, and we always did these drills under full resistance. When we sparred, we did it the way it was supposed to be done: Using punches and elbows on top of punches. A lot of people have this misconception about TKD that all it teaches are kicks. While I know the provenance of such misconception, that's simply not true. TKD was also a mixed martial art–notice, I said "was" because so many dojangs nowadays focus solely on kicks–and anyone that's done proper research into TKD history will know that. While it had little to no ground grappling techniques, it had throws, punches, elbows, knees, and kicks. It was made by and for military, so of course it would cover as many aspects of unarmed combat as possible. As for having little to no ground techniques, I'm not sure if you would want to go on the ground while on a battlefield, like in actual war.
    Also, a lot of people seem to think that Muay Thai is the only martial art that is the "art of 8 limbs", but, the truth is, most of us are born with the same body: Two arms, two legs, elbows, and etc. Hell, round kick with the shins isn't unique to Muay Thai. Kung Fu has this technique and so does TKD, and both do have leg kicks. (I can't speak for Kung Fu, but, as for TKD, teaching methods have been adjusted to what's marketed as sport TKD, which is one of the reasons you mostly see instep snap kicks nowadays. It's not that TKD ONLY has that snappy instep kick. Techniques taught are different depending on the purpose that they are taught for.) Check out the original TKD manual book when you have the chance. It's like when Saenchai says that Muay Thai also has spinning hook kicks and spinning back kicks. We don't really see it those that much in Thai boxers, but there are some like Saenchai who use them, these "flashy" "won't-work-in-real-life" kicks. If tornado kicks and spinning hook kicks are just fancy moves that won't work in real life, then maybe those moves aren't for that particular person, because everyone has different fighting style that suits them better. Not sure if anyone will get this, but that's like saying uppercut is a move that can't work in real life. I mean, who the hell would just give their chin as a punching bag? Well, every technique is useless if they aren't set up by previous moves, if they aren't executed in that "golden time window". What Muay Thai has done well is preserving the combat aspect through practical training. Where TKD really went "wrong" is when it was recognized as a marketing tool and therefore as a sport where you use leg as your main weapon. But by no means is it a "fantasy based" martial art or an "incomplete" one. While it's not clear whether or not Taekkyeon and TKD are actually related, Taekkyeon also was used for battle in times of war and was turned into a game in times of peace. (By the way, Taekkyeon was just a part of the whole combat systems created back in the day, it was just one aspect. So, it was a part of a complete martial art system but has grown to be an art of its own.)
    To end this long post, I'd like to say that to call a martial art with "limited set of rules" a fantasy based martial art is a bit of a stretch, especially making that claim while showing TKD footage. Current McDojangs are ruining TKD, I agree, but you can't call what was once a complete system a fantasy based martial art. Remember, all martial arts have "martial" roots, but not all martial arts retain their "martial" aspect, all because times change.
    Check out this channel. This guy's trying to bring TKD back. And if you think this looks more like "MMA" or just "Kickboxing", then you're right: TKD was originally created to be just that, a combat system used in military utilizing all, or nearly all, the weapons in human body including the hips for throws and such.
    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCDDW-oBreAcBo0cUmPaLj2g

  7. My friend who trained for 15 years in traditional karate almost died after being put into a coma getting into a fight with someone who had experience actually fighting.

    This is not some BS I am making up. It may just be one of those things where he wasn't cut out for fighting full stop but it serves some sort of point or lesson I hope.

  8. Traditional martial arts over an thousand years old in the begining an Indian Buddhist monk travel to China to show Chinese Buddhism that Origin of traditional martial arts

  9. end of the day it doesn't matter what you train what matters is if you have the ability to use what you learned in a violent confrontation. because there are people out there that don't train but can serve a devastating beat down

  10. I'm very serious and offended for whoever said that traditional Martial arts a Fake. I've trained Arnis, Taekwondo and Muay Thai. Yeah. I may be a basic/beginner in MMA. But i do like Traditional Style Martial Arts and this is getting on my nerves. I hated other people saying that traditional Martial Arts are Fake and im gonna lose it and this is getting annoying or stupid.
    I like mma but i like both tma and mma. Or i should called it "MTMA"(stands for Mixed Traditional Martial Arts. Because I trained 3 or 4 martial arts like arnis, taekwondo, boxing and Muay thai)
    Also i like Chinese Martial arts like Shaolin Kung Fu, Wing Chun, Bajiquan and 5 Animal Styles or Druken Fist, Hung ga kuen and other more chinese kung fu

  11. Besides Karate or Taekwondo or even Muay thai, Jeet kune do. I personally do like Kenpo, Pencak silat, Baguazhang, Vovinam or Sikaran

  12. I did Kung Fu for many years and I did notice on my own that 90% of the moves were a waste of time and not practical but the advantage my school had was we did a lot of sparring so that was able to turn me into a good striker and practical fighter. Now I do bjj

  13. Fact is, these days folk aren't interested in facts – just easier to write off as fake than actually stop and learn something.

  14. If a martial art is not effective in real combat it's fake & treating as fake is the proper response to bullshido. You have to be realistic. Thinking Akido is effective will get you beat up. After all fantasy is fake…
    I know it hurts a person's feelings when they've been studying bullshido for years and their told it's a fake combat style but the truth can hurt.
    It's facts over feelings. Again Fantasy is fake.
    MMA & other full contact combat sports have exposed many combat styles as ineffective & useless in a real fight. That's reality, calling it fantasy only exposes how FAKE some martial Arts styles are. Do you believe in touchless martial Arts too? That shit is fake AF not fantasy… Just fake.

  15. I'll tell you what's NOT fake…the Russian Slap defense…that technique can't be touched by any fighting style!!
    In all seriousness though, I think that most of the martial arts are just not practical in real life fighting situations, that's why you'll see a kung fu master who has been studying the art for 100 years get demolished by a mma fighter

  16. There are still several issues with your stance on your journey and still a profound bias in favor of the current wave of McDojos (MMA gyms and Gracie schools). One of these is that if we look at the humble jumping mae geri that Lyoto Machida knocked Randy out with, this technique can't be drilled over and over again in a "pressure" situation due to the danger to the uke. The same can be said of ushiro geri or yoko geri used so effectively by Wonderboy Thompson. People were jumping out of their seats when they saw these techniques applied in MMA because karate had been dismissed as ineffectual garbage by the "pressure test" of MMA. The repeated practice of these techniques is what can be interpreted as "rigid choreography" but that practice is what prepares the mind and body to deliver these techniques in fast and efficient execution. Where some pressure testing is necessary to help wire those neuro pathways to application, overemphasis on this can wear down the body with unnecessary injury and develop sloppy execution.
    On the subject of pressure testing, remove the gloves and wrist protection from MMA and watch what happens to the sport over the next 10 years. Gloves have protected poor strikers from hand injuries and wrist techniques at the expense of "pressure testing" the integrity of their striking training. Gloves may be a large reason why you found your own style so ineffective. Another example is how easy rolling with BJJ practitioners becomes if you are skilled at small joint manipulation and they agree to spar by those rules. And ask them why they don't allow it and wait to hear about it being "too dangerous" and then apply your above criticism to that.
    Just some food for thought in defense of TMA but I applaud your willingness to own your past bigotry toward traditional systems and your vocal willingness to stay open minded.

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  18. In my opinion people should stop mistaking sports vs martial arts. For example, 8:17 can be a reference to taekwondo WT style competition sparring. I get it can be confusing because nowadays what once were martial arts designed for martial use such as taekwondo or karate are predominantly known for its sports versions. It is important to point out that those are just sports which have abandoned it's martial roots in favour of a more competitive approach. However some of those roots can still be found in their military application.

    What I mean is: if you are going to talk about taekwondo, karate, etc. as a martial art, do it, but do it from the perspective of a martial art and not from it's sportive perspective, they are worlds apart

  19. I can't find fault with the term in a modern setting. However, at the time and place of their inception, they were not fantasy based as the civilizations who developed these arts were warlike on a personal level and depended on these arts for survival in the style of combat prevalent at the time.

  20. sigh i couldn't watch it all, messing around in a padded ring with another guy who knows what you're going to do is not pressure testing..it's messing around..the mma bs seems to have blinded 98% of people to reality..i can't be bothered explaining it.

  21. I first learned to block punches with my face, "not the best way", but you have to know what it's like to be hit. I like Kali, but as I am older now I've found myself going more toward Chinese martial arts to cultivate myself. Many judge a martial art by a particular partioner, "not the best way", if you want to be a fighter go to a MMA school. If you want to become a traditional martial artist understand it takes much more time, and many arts require more self cultivation. But most importantly enjoy it. If an art doesn't seem right for you learn another. God bless.

  22. Few people train the traditional way now as they can't handle it. Traditional training is tough, mentally, physically and chronologically. People confuse traditional training with ritualised training. They are very different.

  23. ALL martial arts are like dancing. It only works if someone is doing the same dance as you which makes it possible to only conduct them in competitions. MMA is the only realistic form of fighting in my opinion

  24. Experience
    First, thank you for thus video. I see myself in it.
    I began with fighting arts in 2000.
    Than, few years ago, i said to me, that i want to learn some simple way of fighting. So i found to Muay Thai.
    What i learned there in 2 years was the best i've ever learned. But, what i secondary learned, was, that traditional martial arts is very good, if you always respect the simple and effective basics.

  25. If the point of martial arts is to teach you to fight, then doing katas and board breaking demonstrations is silly. It's all pointless. The only thing that matters, is if you can fight. Can you deal with someone throwing punches at you? Can you deal with getting punched in the face and stomach? No other sport introduces you to this quicker, or earlier on, than boxing. If you walk into any boxing gym, you'll find kids as young as 15 sparring with full grown men. They're throwing real punches, really hard at each other. I'd ask anyone who did karate or TKD as a kid if they did anything close to that kind of fighting at their dojo. Probably not. That's where the criticism comes in. If the point of martial arts is to prepare you to fight, then the belts, board breaking and mysticism is kind of silly. None of that stuff means you can fight. In a boxing ring, where there's an actual danger, fighting ability is very clear.

  26. Yeah dude like them silly katas..like who was the nutjob over 2,000yrs ago that had this outrageous notion that nature was like about balance & shit and a kata was a way to take a tightly structured, scripted pattern and whack it with the organics of self expression in order to improve self and learn that there exist no perfect lines in nature. Yea dude, fuk that….give me an arm bar and a Tapout t-shirt, that's what life is really about.

  27. Most traditional martial arts don't work as effective as the more common ones used today. Also Bruce Lee was a movie star not a real fighter. FACTS. Edit: There's no actual proof of him in a real fight either just light sparring like fights on the internet and movies. No actual proof of him in a proper fight other than what I've just said and rumours/stories.

  28. Why teach weeds traditional martial arts, they only wamt to become masters and grand masters get their certificates and black belts and get sponsored and paid. If you ever fight a real traditional martial artist, you'll understand why all these other schools are called weeds. You'll only find these teachers on a long quest or by destiny.

  29. I only disagre with the fact that you derride KI ..it is a very real concept and EVRY fighter uses it..best fighters have allways had a very well honed ki..take MIKE TYSON or Floyd MAYWEATHER for ex(let's not forget the greatest of all MUHAMMAD ALI wo lacked even basic boxing techique but did all with his vewy well honed ki)…a vewy well honed ki results in a near perfect flow state where every aspect physical onad mental are in allmost total harmony..and that is what every martial artist should pursue.
    anybody who does not understand this misses the point completly.
    IT"S NOT A FANTASY CONCEPT-IT'S SOMETHING YOU HAVE TO WORK VERY HARD FOR.

  30. Traditional martial arts not fake but the problem is very few dojo spare against resisting opponent and dojo lie and take peoples money by feeding there ego thru pad work or a still opponent

  31. Well then stop pushing Chi as a Chinese mystical force that can be used to break soft roof tiles and throw your students across the room.China and Japan DO NOT have the Monopoly on the MARTIAL ARTS.

  32. Well, "fighting under a very limited set of rules" – sadly, this applies to the current top notch…
    I stay with my own credo: it´s the fighter not the art/sport.

  33. @Martial Arts Journey
    For Rokas Leonavicius it maybe worth looking into Enshin/Ashihara Karate as it seems to be a synthesis of Aiki/Jujitsu principles along with many tools of MMA. Any thoughts?
    Enshin/Ashihara examples:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_-zSamk6WQ
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAeKUQ9gYx4
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sk77HBXnzzI
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-aV5SnnENM

  34. Traditional martial arts used to mean time tested. Skills, techniques, and/or methods proven time and again to work. Interesting how that definition has changed.

  35. Most people have never felt how painful it is to hit another person, especially once the adrenalin has worn off and the real costs of using small bones, such as those in a fist, to try and damage another person come out. Should we be surprised that much martial arts looks like the movies? No one in movies get hurt either – no bruising, so swelling, keeping on going with broken bones, with gunshots, etc.

  36. I still think its better to compare training methods than to compare martial arts. Boxing, judo, muay thai, kyokushin are traditional MA. No use in comparing them to other tma such as Aikido.

    The difference is made in the training methods. Focus on live resistance training and stamina and less on the perfectioning of the techniques.

  37. I believe traditional martial arts do work, but many of them, like aikido, were created for purposes at the time. That doesn't mean alot of the teaching wasn't also created to last. I believe there is alot to take from traditional martial arts

  38. tai chi is not martial art, it is a warm up exercise. Shao ling kung fu is not martial art, it is performance art and self defense against bullies who don't know how to fight.

  39. Aren't boxing, wrestling, Kickboxing, judo traditional martial arts? I know for a fact that the ancient Romans and Greeks had boxing schools and competitions. That is over 2 0000 years old. I believe that kickboxing has been around that long as well. Even the word martial means belonging to Mars the Roman god of war . If 2000 years is not traditional then I don't know what is?

  40. The emphasis is on fake practitioners not the art. Most MMA people start in the traditional arts so therefore by definition the art itself is legit

  41. Don't go to war without a gun, also don't lose your gun during a battle. I know this video has another subject entirely. But I want to mention on the comment of "limiting" contact to certain areas or being hindered by rules on some attacks that would seem obvious. If you know combat and so does your opponent you would know that fighting is just not hitting an adversary but also getting hit AND ALSO keeping yourself safe for future fighting. Punching the face are or head would seem obvious to the person that has never felt pain or broken bones during a combat. Combat is what makes a martial art application effective. IF your school doesn't make you spar for whatever reasons with other schools specially, then expect no miracles.

  42. Are you still training in aikido? I'd hope you are using your energy elsewhere. We only have so much time and energy and you seem sincere which is to me, the greatest attribute to learn mma or juijitsu.

  43. I've trained at a number of traditional classes when i was younger including karate, kung fu, and tae kwon do. One thing I noticed, at least in my own experience, is they don't know how to train. No partner drills, little conditioning, almost no pressure testing, don't understand the forms/kata, unrealistic expectations. The styles didn't seem technically flawed or anything but they don't teach you how to fight, they teach the movements of that particular style.

    If you look at a combat sport like Muay Thai, it mostly has just a handful of basic techniques that can be found in most martial arts. So what makes it effective? It's all in how it's trained. Winning a competition is a clearly defined measure of success and they have a lot of experience preparing to do so. I see no reason traditional arts can't be trained in a similar way – to actually learn how to fight with proper training and pressure testing and all that.

  44. I think one point your missing is that the majority of Martial Arts techniques are designed to be used once you catch the opponant off guard or after you strike them.
    You are not going to grab the arm after a punch for example of an experienced fighter
    But after say a kick to the groin then you have a small window of opportunity to apply a technique.
    There is a difference between a fight with 2 experienced fighters and self defence.
    It's annoying to hear so many people say Martial Arts like karate etc don't work in real life
    They can and do but under strict set of circumstances.
    For example someone grabs you in an attempt to rob you. That's where someone who is profficent in something like karate or nihon jui jits can be successful.
    You are very correct though in saying that the techniques should be tested with some resistance to confirm they are effective.
    Akido has always been known for having super compliant opponents and umnessary movements. I think akkido looks awesome but it's not something I would try and use in a real fight even if I was very experienced in it.

  45. I practice Taekwondo and at first; I questioned if it was practical. I have a background in karate and I knew that sparring was going to be the answer if the school was legitimate. I spar the main instructor and boy oh boy he can spar. He's kicks are quick and he has great control in his body mechanics; so much so that he changes front kick to roundhouse effortlessly. He also doesn't mind if we cross-train with other schools; he actually encourages it. Also, i like how when i spar I like to rush down people with punches (karate punches and some boxing techniques I've picked up) then end it with a kick (due from karate). They say that's it's ok for me to do that due to the fact other people in class rarely punch/box and they need to learn. The only cons I really have are these drills we do for "self-defense". We do these locks and throws but never stress test if they work, also very cookie cutter. Also, no punches to the face or kicks to the leg when sparing. The last thing is the ranking system, it can be elitist sometimes but not all the time. It's good to question what you do actually works instead of being in fantasy land instead.

  46. 01:30 This is what happens with those martial artists like "First I'd do this, then I'd do that, then I'd turn his wrist that way…" in real life.

  47. I do a certain type of Kenpo/Kempo, which is basically just karate and Kung Fu mixed together. We do full contact mma sparring every week as well as our traditional class sessions ,. So you can practice traditional and still be effective

  48. It is a mistake Aikido as ineffective. Master O learned other styles before founding Aikido an was “pressure tested” constantly before and after refining techniques.
    I learned the Aikido philosophy as a kid and it made sense to me. I used that philosophy no matter what martial art I was learning and practicing. I came to a conclusion that the brain is most efficient at defending or attacking but not both and chose defense as the tactic most preferable. When I concentrated on defense, I found it was practically impossible for others to land a strike and the aggressor always is most vulnerable from beginning the strike to it’s completion. Within this time frame, the aggressor has to come out of balance and open up vulnerable points of attack on himself.
    I feel like I took a traditional route in learning in that I went to every martial arts school and challenged the best students. I found that when I simply acted defensively, none could penetrate my defenses and only when I was aggressive could my opponents find my vulnerabilities.
    I’ve taught this to many and and found students can quickly learn to avoid attacks.

    I’ve seen many teachers are not there as much to teach as they’re demonstrating their own superiority over those ranked under them.

    One of the basic reactions to a strike against you is to flinch and duck. One of the things I teach students is how to recognize the things that make them flinch before the strike actually begins. During the time you flinch, you lose situational awareness and are vulnerable to follow up combinations… that make you flinch in more predictable ways.

    I’ve learned several martial arts in the karate and Kung Fu disciplines and find that those mocking styles outside of their own systems only do so out of ignorance and egocentricity. When I’ve encountered these types and answered their challenge me to spar, they quickly learn their aggression cannot stop me from smacking their foreheads with my palm and I remind them if I can smack you I can use my knuckles to hit deeper and crack the forehead or my fingertips poke the eyes. Mostly these attackers realize the folly of their belief in self superiority thinking and realize how ignorant and immature they appear and how ineffective that thinking is and a vulnerability.
    Come visit me for a week or two Rokas and I will show you how not to flinch and be a better martial artist for it.

  49. I’d still maintain that this discussion needs to be even further developed. Although I agree with some of the points made in this video, it is heavily focused on certain types of martial arts.

    I’d like to ask where sword or bow arts fit into all this? Are historical arts doomed to become fantasy arts? If not, how can one pressure test them?

    There is also the issue of martial contexts. Grappling is a wonderful skill, but even in its earliest forms historically, there is little evidence to suggest it was used regularly on the battlefield. It was a martial art that grew out of a culture to compete, prove strength, and develop character. I don’t even think — though I’d have to go do studies — that most Ancient Greek wrestlers would necessarily say they practiced for self defense. Does wrestling existing in such a vacuum also make it a fantasy art? Do modern firearms make ALL martial arts outside of marksmanship technically traditional?

    I’m sure this all seems like nitpicks. I understand that the thesis of the video is focused on Delineating arts along lines of pressure testing and “testing” only in one’s mind.

    I think that is a valuable insight, however I also believe it ignores the contexts of martial arts. Therefore, I think other questions have to be answers. Questions like: can a pressure tested martial art also be a fantasy martial art? Or, Is sport truly the final laboratory for proving effectiveness?

    I wholly recognize that the channel is most focused on sport, but I really believe if we are to talk about martial arts in the largest sense, these are questions that have to be tackled. If we are talking about what is effective in the ring, then I think specification is necessary. I have my own opinions on some of the stuff, but further study is always necessary and I’m not at all trying to present myself as some kind of “armchair expert”. Hopefully it doesn’t come off that way.

  50. Maybe "fake martial arts" should just be referred to as "exhibition" martial arts, more like gymnastics than a combat system or ring sport. 

    The fantasy aspect of martial arts should be tied to entertainment based fight choreography, which incidentally includes contemporary depictions of simulated military style unarmed combat types, that despite incorporating what producers depict as being "real" or even in line with modern combat sports (MMA in entertainment choreography is currently common), is once again, exhibition based for the viewing audience.

    When the fantasy aspect delves into magical thinking amongst practitioners and believers is when you now have a faith based religion or cult.

    The bullshido only comes in marketing as "real" when clearly based upon a system that serves no purpose (i.e. not tested) outside the confines/safety of the school or group.

  51. Traditional martial arts today are fake and filled with rules and regulation. But not the original. Because it's been used for hundreds of years before these schools used it for profit. And as you noticed people pass down a technique, but water it down so they whoever learns from them does not challenge them in the future. So that's how the true marital arts die.

  52. I've been watching a lot of your videos lately because I started getting worried about my Martial Arts because it's traditional. After watching a lot of your videos I realize that my Kung Fu is taught in a way to be practical rather than fantasy. I'm also pretty sure my Shifu has taken notes from the street fights he has participated in when he was younger and realizes the limits of traditional practice so he has us spar hard and teaches us techniques that I would see in Sanshou (Chinese Kickboxing). Your videos have helped me ease my worries about being a black belt in this martial arts. The only thing missing is ground combat we are only taught takedowns.

  53. traditional martial arts are not fake. .it' s real. .it's philosophy are sound. .but its fighting form and orientation are outdated, obsolete, unrealistic and robotic. .a wild man with no martial arts background are far better fighter fighting without any form but just biting, clawing and with only one desire that is to survive. .they have freedom from this bondage on what bruce lee's called "classical mess"

  54. JKD is a philosophy. Meaning that even though Wing Chun is the base, you are allowed to fight freely but best to be very direct. To express who you are by what you take in and apply it to your sparring & training.

  55. the thing is.. most traditional martial arts, at its core has been "pressure" tested. Most of these arts were tested in the battlefield hundreds of years ago if not more. Aikido and like many other "FBMA" are not meant for sparring.. they are meant to take down ur opponent in the streets as fast as possible when given the opportunity. There are how ever traditional martial arts that are tweaked towards sport.. most silat, karate, Judo and TKD are some of the arts's which modern variations and mainly focused on scoring points.

    anyways my point is. most traditional martial arts were never made for sparing. they were made for killing and warfare where the ultimate goal is to kill ur opponent ASAP and move on to the next. Aikido if you dig a lil bit into its history , has its roots and many older styles of combat. which were battle tested. Aikido it self how ever is fairly new and young. but i still hold my point that aikido is not meant for sparring. if you are keen on sparring , then try martial arts that has been tweaked and evolved to accommodate sparring/fighting in the ring etc.

  56. Summary: this is what happens when people train in an art for years just to climb up the ranks but have no actual skills asides from copying what they have been taught then blame the martial art for not being effective.. cute tho. real cute. you can spend 10 years learning something and still fail to do be good at it. doesnt mean u cant apply it, the art is bad. sure being a black belt might give u an advantage over the average joe.. but against other black belts? you aint getting far unless you good at what you do. Also im not denying that there are tons of bullshit stuff out there.. theres so much that its disgusting.

  57. Fantasy based martial arts are dangerous!
    They can get people in bad sutuations!
    But any art that helps you get stronger is good!

  58. I think people forget that a technique or a martial art is purely dependent on one's build and other factors such sa muscle density, Flexibility and many more.
    Plus those so called master practice technique so much they forget to train their body to the peak people seem to forget martial art masters have the best physique and that physique is compatible to their martial arts.
    You can't expect a lean guy to lift heavy as you can't expect a strongman to be lightning agile.

  59. The other issue that creeps up is that a lot of trad martial artists are only sparring and training against others in the same style. They're hyper specialized. So, even if they are not fantasy based they still struggle against other styles when a spar happens and, in the initial encounter, makes the trad guy look REALLY bad. When, in reality, the MMA guy just has more experience dealing with various styles while the trad guy doesn't. Not to say the trad guy is just as good or anything; just another aspect to the comparisons.

  60. In the end it's just physics and human anatomy . And we have been very , very good at killing and beating each other up for a very, very long time.

  61. Only those self proclaimed masters are fake. They issue challenges, beaten up. A good football coach can never play in the pit to score to win. That's the comparison.

  62. To be fair to Systema, it was originally created for military application and was quite effective until the mystic aspect came in

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