Katana vs. Longsword

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  1. The problem is that in this they used a crappy katana, a very inconsistent arming sword, and an amazingly well crafted longsword, and in the longsword vs katana video with the Full Metal Jacket guy(you should be able to find it on YouTube pretty easily) they used a crappy longsword, a regular katana, and crappy plate armor(as well as giving the katana an advantageous cut angle for the light armor test).

  2. Ist das nicht unlogisch?
    Er sagt die Europäer hatten Kanonen…..
    Schön und gut aber wurde nicht in Asien schwarzpulver erfunden?😅
    Und die Japaner hatten auch Bögen btw….

  3. I'd like to mention two things.

    1; Japanese Samurai used to use Longsword shape sword in ancient times (up to about 1000 years ago). As time goes by, sword shape changed to Katana shape. The most popular Katana shape was perfected 800 years ago. There are many kind of Katana shapes which depends on the necessities, such as for the battle ground or not, on the horse or not, as a main weapon or not, etc,. Because Katana were expendables, each Samurai usually had some Katana swords in his home, also a Lance, Bow and arrows were there too.

    2; Sword man doesn't necessarily mean Samurai. Samurai was an occupation. There were sword men of Farmers, Engineers and Merchants. Shorter sword were allowed without permission to possess and practice even in the Edo period. For example, a farmer could become a Samurai if a Samurai king employ him as a Samurai or if he had enough budget to live as a Samurai. Because heritage was only to the first son, 2nd or 3rd born Samurai son needed to become a civilian sometimes, also, many Samurai king families including their men were forced to become civilians at the Edo period due to the political war. Samurai class population , including women and children, was about 7% during Edo period.

    Second mentioning may be seemed irrelvant here to some people. However, because there are many propagandists who has been trying to discredit Japan after the ww1, even the Japanese sword men don't know about true Samurai nature much today. Samurai were surely respected and high classed but there were not much discrimination among Samurai, farmers, engineers, and merchants. Since the beginning of Japan, there are democracy and no slaves.

    Well, those propagandists are mostly the ghosts of Comintern, often disguised as globalists today.

  4. This vis is garbage! It doesn't show the fact that folded metal can achieve sharper edge and hold it for longer, keeping the strength.
    This "katana" is only a hobby sword, not a well crafted katana.

  5. Schrecklich, mit ansehen zu müssen, wie so wunderbare Stücke geschmiedeten Metalls gequält und misshandelt werden.

  6. Ich frage mich was passieren würde, wäre das Langschwert und nicht das Katana zerbrochen…
    Zu fast 100% würde ich wetten das hier alle mit einem "war doch klar" Spruch durchspazieren und nur wenig Worte der Verteidigung für das Langschwert fallen würden
    Es ist schon fast amüsant wie schnell alle aufschreien wenn der Hollywood-Mythos angekratzt wird
    Schaut euch doch einfach keine Vergleichsvideos an, wenn eure Lieblingswaffe ohnehin feststeht und Fakten zu schwer zu verkraften sind

  7. thats ALL FAKE THE PIPE THAT THEY SHOWED HIM IN THE VIDEO WAS WAY BIGGER AND NOT SO THIN AND WHEN THEY TESTED THE SWORDS CUTTING OTHER SWORDS THEY PLACED IT STRAIGHT WTF?! THEY ONLY WANT TO SHOW TAHT GERMANS ARE BETTER IN EVERYTHING

  8. "Hier kommen wir in die enge Mensur und greife in die klinge" Weil ich ein schwertförmiges stück Bandstahl halte, das ich schwert nenne.

  9. Ein Kartana wurde für die Schnelligkeit Krug gemacht und würde gegen einen Ritter im Zweikampf gewinnen da der Samurai viel mobiler ist. Außerdem ist ein originales, richtiges Kartana über mehrere tausend Euro wert und die Samurai verbrachten ihr ganzes Leben damit zu trainieren

  10. Terrible documentary for many reasons, this kind of european sword would be better for blunt attack, cut an arm is a bonus if you can still crush bones, while the katana is a precision weapon is NOT about brute force. I prefer katana for a lot of reasons, but in i think a samurai would have a lot of difficulties fighting a full plate knight. Also when asking a "vs" regarding weapons, you have to think about, it is a speacialist against another, one vs one, army vs army…anyway…

  11. This struck me as odd from the get go, though I didn't get what they were saying in the beginning, the dramatization of samurai using katana on the battlefield against polearms was a good tip that this was not going to be good. I took the advice and went to the cutting test to see what everyone was up in arms about… it's no better than the bullshit episode done against the platemail. They intentionally weigh the odds in favor of another blade by misrepresenting the other. This assumes that all katana are identical in form and function and they are not, allow me to explain: the katana used in the cutting test is fit for light cutting practice from small tatami to rope. If anyone wants to correct me, freely do so, but I'm going to assume that the sword used is a Maru (monosteel, as opposed to a laminated blade) blade, meaning the edge is the exact same steel as the rest of the blade. You might as well try to cut through a bunker with a box cutter.

    If the test were to be fair, it would have used an appropriate katana for the situation, one without the groove, laminated in something like a shizohume style with a higher carbon steel edge, carbon springsteel sides (1045-1080) a ductile iron core and a mild steel spine. The edge would have been ground to an appleseed edge, not a straight edge. The Katana used for this demonstration was meant for FLESH, it was meant to be light, to be taken quickly from the sheath and strike first. Don't try to generalize all katana's by using the weakest classification of the damn sword and calling it evidence. Just like the other "documentary", it's propaganda meant to stroke off the fan boys of it's particular demographic. The katana cultists got their strokefest, so it's time the HEMA fanboys had a circlejerk, too, I guess… fuck me…

    Lets leave out that the other sword didn't CUT the blade, it smashed through it because it was rigidly held, and that's a testament to the tough tempering of the blade, but it does not equate to anything more than a greater transfer of kinetic energy due to the fact that the blade didn't absorb it by bending. If the katana was proper in the demonstration, the kinetic transfer would have been similar, if not greater due to the harder edge transferring more impact and the blade not wanting to move.

    Can we please get a fair demonstration instead of 2 extremes of the same fucking spectrum?

  12. longsword is the better fighting sword no suprise there but the katana is alot faster and so god damn beatifull

  13. Es ist kein deutsches langschwert nur weil Deutschland ja "so toll" ist die Römer haben es erfunden…

  14. Samurai military/weaponry is to much to explain and I don't much care getting in to a debate, because you can find the info yourselfs', but a katana was able to pierce/dent steel better then a European equivalent hence why a hammer or mace ect where used to counter knights in full plated steel

  15. Fake is use a ordinary katana build made in china.
    No one Forgers can equal the katanas of Honjo Masamune, him secret is vanish on time, other Katnas build up of can equal the quality is like simple iron vs titan quality. All other europens quality of the sword sack.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDkoj932YFo

  16. 0:47 scharfer als jedes bekannte material, mir ist kein material bekannt das in seiner grund form scharf ist… 0:54 ihre kraft?? Die kraft vom schwert?? Hier konnte man die scharfte einbringen…. 1:38 eine waffw als unterlegen zu bezeichnen bedeutet den waffen verwer als unfahig zu bezeichnen. 3:21 kill bill ist ein echt glaubwurdiger film im bezug auf schwert fuhrung, nicht! 7:39 blatterteig als beispiel.

  17. Dass Schwert ist zerbrochen und nicht zerschnitten worden , da gibt es immernoch einen unterschied > _ <

  18. Only if he tested which could hold its own versus a bullet and then probably cut the Katana diagonal it might've held its own lol but good vid

  19. Also ich würde trotzdessen ein Katana (bzw. ein Wakizashi) bevorzugen, so n Deutsches Langschwert ist zu groß und zu schwer.

  20. Ein Luzerner Hammer, eine Mordaxt oder Glefe sind so oder so sehr viel gefährlicher als ein Katana oder Langschwert.

  21. Long sword is better, but that was more of a break than a cut( about 22:00 ), I think you can do this with anything with enough force

  22. A sword make by Roth cost alot of Money…i wonder what this german style Half-Swording Sword (to penetrate Armor) cost…http://www.seelenschmie.de/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/Phoerschwert.jpg

  23. That's odd..there were some videos I saw where the Katana was superior compared to the European sword and the Katana was more durable. In fact, I've never seen a Katana that was bent AGAINST a longsword.

  24. And ancient style Katana would be no match for a European long sword but If it was a katana utilizing modern day steel well now that's a different story

  25. It's also true that European would have most certainly crushed Japanese armies but take away the armor and the armies and just have two men with swords only who really wins here

  26. Also call just a bit a bullshit here there's a very clear bias I won't answer any scrutinizing comments so don't leave any

  27. Why the fuck do you put the title in English if you're not speaking English!? Put it in German then damnit ! What if someone put a title in German but spoke Japanese, what the fuck

  28. And another thing in the movie the Katana was made out of a stronger steel then the other katana's and not only that it was fucking cutting through other katana's not fucking broad swords that are obviously 🙄 heavier then the fucking katana and not only that real sword fights never had blade bashing in any culture god lee people get a clue

  29. He make only Maru type layer Nihonto. why he nop make other type Nihonto layer. like Kabuse layer or Honsanmai layer.. or use Masamune style layer Soshu Kitae.

  30. Wer diesen blödsinn glaubt ist hoffnungslos was kann der dorftrottel von einer echten katana und den echten umgang damit wissen nix der will einfach nur es nicht wahr haben das die Samurai (die echten) richtig krasse krieger wahren Kein wunder auch wenn ein mensch nur dafür lebt!! in europa die ritter usw wahren alles eher mehr söldner die auf kohle aus wahren und die vergnüglichkeiten des lebens mehr priesen als den kampf

  31. Why the long sword is better: it can be thrown (bravery heart ref), it's double edged, and it's a combo of crushing and cutting while the katana is just for slicing.

  32. Doesn't mean the katana is worse than a long sword just because it is less durable. The katana actualky does better against flesh and in most cuts and thrusts armor due to having less give and taking more damage. Japan was iron poor and did the folding to remove the impurities. It is a myth that katanas can cut through swords,but it is a myth that rapiers are light or that knights always wore full plate when usually they had half plate st best on horseback. Weaknesses and strengths are with both swords.

  33. this is pure shit of European propaganda, in the film of tarantino does not speak of the katana cutting any sword, but the katana of the protagonist is special, made by a very famous blacksmith, you have to consider the quality of the blacksmith, the Katana is better ..

  34. Guise, I just realised something.

    Katana is just popular because of a coincidence which caused it's simple, geometrical design to fit the modern, minimalistic tastes, as opposed to any other freaking sword, which all look rustic, and thus, old.

  35. firstly I've watched this in depth and there is a lot more to it. the idea was to show the superiority of one sword design over the other, saying that neither sword is superior because each had its own use etc etc is rubbish. These weapons were pitted through exactly the same tests in a variety of ways. The long sword has more striking angles, planes of attack than the katana making it a more versatile weapon. Neither sword is effective against armour either. As a hema fighter and sword smith I can say two swords made of the same quality steel in the styles presented herein being pitted against plate would fail miserably. I've personally stood in my armour and allowed a friend to use a sharp long sword againg it using both thrusts and slashes. neither does much, in fact u don't even feel it as the sword was rubbish against plate hence the advent of numerous pole arms, maces, hammers etc. Anyone saying the long sword was for use against plate armour is daft and has never tested or seen such a test. It is also a myth to say the katana was sharper as both weapons can attain a comparable level of sharpness. Another fact is the katana was never the primary arm of the samurai, this was typically the place of the spear and this was used on a far larger scale. The thing that irks me is that as well set up as these tests were I have serious concerns about the lack of scientific information presented about the quality of the steel used in the two test blades and the blade used as a surface for impact testing. Nothing was presented about the grade or composition of the steels used, nor was any information provided about heat treatment etc, this will all affect the direct outcome of such a test. The problem was they never clarified if it was a test of traditional time accurate pieces each made true to their original styles including the clay heating of the katana and through hardening of the long sword, eg a historical test of different steel qualities etc or if it was a test of the design shape for cuts and thrusts, made in a modern non traditional manner and not a historical comparison? so much was missing that from a professional stand point whilst this was entertaining it most certainly does not convince me the test was completely accurate, without bias or even tainted to achieve a certain outcome.

  36. Move like dancing if you want to know how to cut with katanaReact after your opponent moves and softly touch innner part of joint Vulnerable when trying to break, but let your opponent lose the blood in touching and smoothly "slide" on his or her wristCombined with other small tools(aikido)
    Not break but smoothly slide, normally, the katana answer to you. Let him(katana) speak, it is not humain who deal this job. Hear the heart of katana, how or which direction he wants to move. Ask(see) the opponent from where does he wants to be cut.
    This movement is "circle". In that sens, you have to "speak" with katana. Without force, but move and closely and smoothly, delicately, slide.
    See the cut section. You will know if you have arrived to talk with katana. No power, but communication and danse

  37. Soviele englische Kommentare ??  aha es gibt Untertitel:Ich lach mich schlapp …. WARUM ist es den Leuten nicht möglich zu akzeptieren, dass es ganz einfach PHYSIKALISCHE GESETZE gibt  – – ganz klar auch bei STAHL.Es gibt k e i n e Schwert-WUNDER – Es gibt nur klare, knallharte Gesetze der Materie !!!Es ist ganz einfach :: KATANA hat eine härtere Schneide und schneidet deshalb l ä n g e r sehr gut …. das Schwert ist aber steif und verbiegt sich ohne brechen zu können (weicher Rücken) …was ein eindeutig brutaler Nachteil ist.  Das Deutsche Schwert ist recht biegsam (eine totale Feder) und springt nach einer Biegung zurück…. weil es eben weicher ist… und deshalb weniger lang gut schneidet. (es muss mehrere Male nachgeschärft werden bevor das Katana nachgeschärft werden muss ….  ABER :: gegen die Platten-Rüstung haben weder Katana noch europäische Schwerter eine reale Chance …. besonders dann, wenn die Rüstung selbst  aus gehärtetem Stahl sein sollte (Königsrüstung). Aus diesem Grund mussten die deutschen Schwerter in jener Zeit (15-16 Jhdt.) zu Stosswaffen (statt Hiebwaffen) umgemodelt werden, um in diese kleinen Lücken (Arm-/Schenkel/Bein-beugen) einzustechen.

  38. Man you fake you purposely confronted a weaker with a stronger forged blade…purposely not accidentally. .just for giving the impression that european and your german metal forging is way more advanced than katana…!…that wasn't even a real catana anyway…go fool someone else…you…!!!..along with that fake media…

  39. I think the notion about katana superriority commes also from fact, that in Japan only very few very trained and skilled people used one. While in rest of the world anyone in army used sword. So it naturally seem, that katana are much bette while in fact, itll be of shit quality if produced in huge quantity to accomodate all soldiers.

  40. I died a little bit inside when she said that the katana should be able to cut through other swords. you can't easily cut through hardened and tempered steel, it's simply impossible with a sword strike no matter how good the steel is. and Japan really didn't have good steel, it's carbon content is way too high which is why it has to be folded so much. this is also the reason Samurai had to practice so much with wooden weapons before they were even allowed to touch a real sword, if not used properly the sword would be pretty much guaranteed to break

  41. I like both weapons and if Katana is't able to break a sword (To what swords are not made for) it doesn't mean automatically that KATANA is bad, but i hate "Katana propaganda" like: "Katana cuts everything" or something like that. Both of the weapons are just weapons not any gifts of god. Anime nerds could keep their shut up. Thanks

  42. Fun fact: Longswords and Katanas were made using the same materials and methods. The reason why it's attributed to the Japanese is that they are among the last nations to make their swords in such a way, While Europeans switched to mono steel by the 18th century and all European blades of similar construction corroded with time.

  43. In short,
    The comparison should lie solely in the martial arts system and how the swords are used, not in their structural strengths, due to the excess of variables.

    There's a large problem with the final test. The katana has a point of balance further down the blade than the longsword. Therefore, it favours hitting the target even more towards the tip than the longsword does.
    So naturally, it bends when you misuse, by hitting with the middle of the blade.
    Also, this kind of test is redundant, as swords, as well as anything else, isn't completely fixated in combat.

    While the two swords shared similar purposes, being either secondary weapons or personal defence weapons. The difference lies in the environment, who they were intended to face, and how they were intended to be used. Comparing one to another is similar to comparing two unspecified knives to one another. There are so many variants of the different swords, that comparing one specific of each kind makes no sense, and given we can make both to the same quality standard these days, their resilience isn't what matters, it's the way they're used and who they're used by.

    To give a bit of context, I have experience in both Lichtenauer's fencing and Kukushin-ryu kenjutsu.
    If I were to pick one over the other, I'd go with the longsword, as it's usually a tad bit longer, and it's point of balance is usually situated right above the cross guard, which I find to be less straining on the body. Incidentally, I am not a fan of the idea of the double edge. Sure it's nice to be able to do backhand swings, but you don't need the entire back side sharpened for that, I do like me some slip and slide over always binding.
    In conclusion, I'm only really in bed with the grosses messer, or a sword spear, or a nagamaki maybe.

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